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T O P I C R E V I E WPisces AdonisI discovered an article. http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/04/03/heinous-hybrids% E2%80%94why-the-quincunx-is-no-minor-aspect/#comment-19386 I saw this response to in the Comments Section by a Guest. quote:Originally posted by VR:lol! I happen to believe the exact opposite! Oppositions: nothing in common! Not a chance! Whereas quincunxes: lots in common, lotsa fun! (I left a comment in the post about Aquarius, so I’m not gonna repeat myself here) My natal quincunxes: Chiron inconjunct Pluto and Neptune, no idea what that means. Mars inconj. MC: no issues here. Venus inconj. Neptune: that’s a problem cause I tend to project my Neptune but imo that has more to do with Pisces being the opposite sign of Virgo than anything else.P.S. Your (very accurate) description of Neptune reminded me of a thought I had during the Virgo debate. Fair warning, I have Mercury Q Uranus, so you’d better sit down for this one! I was thinking, since Neptune’s energy is so ego-dissolving, the sun in Virgo can not be in that bad a place, after all!!!P.S.S. People, could you please include in your responses how you get along with the signs that are quincunx to yours? I’m so curious!!P.S.S.S. In some 15 seconds of a degree, Neptune will enter Pisces! Yikes!Have a nice day, all!The author responded. quote:Originally posted by Donna Cunningham :Opposites can form a mutually beneficial partnership of the “you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours” sort. They are in the same mode (e.g. both cardinal) and in complementary elements (water with earth or fire with air), so they have the potential to be very helpful to one another, unless they decided to get all oppositional and make the other “wrong.”Example: Cancer and Capricorn–cardinal water with cardinal earth. What they have in common is a deep need for security that they both search for on a lifelong basis. Cancer looks for it in roots, a home, and family, while Capricorn looks for it in success in the outside world. Capricorn doesn’t have time to tend the home fires; Cancer doesn’t want to be out in the big bad world. Paired up, with a good working division of labor, they can be a good match.Example: Gemini and Sagittarius–mutable air and mutable fire. They both want lots of data and lots of answers. Gemini is eager to have a teacher answer the incessant questions; Sag believes it has all the answers and wants nothing better than an eager pupil sitting at their feet, hanging on their every word.Example: Virgo and Pisces–mutable earth and mutable water. Virgo has an endless need to fix and organize people; Pisces is looking for someone to fix and organize them.Out of curiosity I asked her if a Quincunx can actually be HARDER than an opposition between signs. My exact comment: quote:Originally posted by ScorpioDogAC (the guest username I posted under as in the comment sections) :Could a Quincunx actually be a Harder Aspect than an Opposition?Especially if its between the Sun and Moon?I have a Moon in Leo and Sun in Pisces and I’ve notice often i seem to act as though I’m conflicted internally-my conscious is constantly fighting with my unconscious (well not as much as I now know myself better ever since I gotten into Astrology). Without going into detail to put as an example my “Ideal” Self has nothing in common with the person I’ve been in the past.The author's Response. quote:Originally posted by Donna Cunningham :Yes, I do believe that, depending on the planets involved, a quincunx might br more difficult to work out, because there is no natural connection between the signs involved, while the opposite signs are in complementary elements and in the same sign type (e.g. fixed with fixed). DonnaResponse to my post by another guest poster. quote:Originally posted by LB:” . . .my “Ideal” Self has nothing in common with the person I’ve been in the past.”I never thought of it that way, but wow, can I relate. Maybe that’s how a quincunx is supposed to work, in that it eventually demands that we make a conscious choice as to how we want to resolve our contradictions.So I'm curious. Could a Quincunx be harder than an Opposition?I'm now convinced so based on the article itself and the comments above that Opposites between planetary placements is overrated and not as bad as its portrayed to be in mainstream Astrology and as many light followers of Astrology seem to believe.I'm not lying I have a Capricorn friend in another site, and she thinks that Cancer and Capricorn are the least compatible Signs because they're opposites according to a book on Astrology she read. I used to have similar thoughts to (especially on aspects) until one day I learned in an Astrological program called PAT that my Sun in Pisces Quincunx my Moon in Leo and started learning about that barely known aspect in Astrology (not even Astrology for Dummies which IMO is the most detailed yet easy-to-understand beginner's guide to Astrology mentions Quincunx in the chapter about Planetary Aspects). VenusDiSiriusMystic Medusa sees quincunx as detour with benefits. #FoodForThought aquaguy91i feel my quincunx pretty strong. i have venus quincunx chiron exact.StarlightSmileSupremeMy Saturn/Taurus/Eighth house Inconjunct is this nag on my stellium/conjunction in Libra. To me it's like having someone along as a killjoy kinda making that is supposed to be fun not always fun. I still have fun though. Saturn doesn't completely destroy it. Just taints it a little. Saturn does not approve of the Libra configuration because it's just too airy and abstract when Saturn wants to be practical and earthy not to mention materialistic. Sooo, Saturn doesn't support it. I often think I am wasting my time with humanities because they get people nowhere but I am still fascinated by myths and good fiction. I like analyzing that stuff. I am also terrible at math. Maybe that's part of the inconjunct as well? Not only does Saturn not support the Libra planets, the Libra planets, which Mercury is one, do not support Saturn. Goes both ways. Maybe the inconjunct between Mercury and Saturn means really poor mathematical ability? I have a feeling Saturn doesn't want me to have what is promised in my Libra conjunction.RedScorpOpposites are still a pretty tough aspect, I think. They can be hard to work with, but they're pretty fun too! I'd say it's 50/50 when oppositions are involved.About inconjuncts, I think they're supposed to inspire change. What VDish said about being detours with benefits sounds right. It will be hard to get them to benefit you, and it'll take work and adjustment to keep them from stabbing you in the side, but if you don't give up, the two forces can go well! Being a minor aspect, the issues that inspire you to change yourself often are reinforced from the outside, as in, relating or interacting with people.To answer your questionnnn, I'd say the opposition can be harder than the inconjunct, but it can also be easier too. Like I said, 50/50. Got Gemini??Well, they say a Quincunx is a mix of a trine and an opposition and if you don't adjust, you feel the opposition side and if you do, you can feel the trine side of it.------------------Gemini SunLibra MoonGemini MercuryCancer VenusVirgo MarsVirgo AscAnd yes, I'm a guy!sandI have moon inconjunct Neptune. Moon quincunx Neptune: With the moon inconjunct Neptune you are sympathetic toward others. You demonstrate how much you care by offering service when help seems needed. Because of your deep-feeling nature, it is difficult for you to remain detached. You are like a mother hen seeking to protect her brood when danger threatens. Unconsciously, however, you are constantly seeking situations in which you can persecute yourself. Thus you are able to spiritually fulfill your social obligations and justify your deep response to them. Your imagination works overtime in creating problems to solve.Your romantic interests may prove disappointing until you can relate to others honestly and realistically. It is not easy for you to see people as they really are. You tend to project on them the qualities they can't possibly live up to, and you feel let down when they don't measure up to your expectations. You are also vulnerable to deception by people who misrepresent themselves. You will have many unsatisfactory alliances until you learn to insist that others establish their credentials before you become inextricably involved. You are a romantic and can find solace through artistic pursuits or any creative expression. You inspiration can effectively enrich your private moments with serenity.sandMoon Quincunx Neptune:Your sense of wonder and your openness to the unseen,subtle, spiritual dimensions of life are two of your gifts. Youare extremely sensitive to the energies and currents of feelingaround you and, because you are so impressionable and receptive,you are influenced (even duped) rather easily. Throughout yourlife you maintain a certain childlike belief in magic and inwishing, and you tend to escape into the inner world of yourimagination (or anesthetize yourself with movies, or soapoperas, or food) when the outside world seems either too dull orharsh for you. It is important for you to learn to deflectnegative or turbulent emotional influences in your environment,as you tend to get "sucked in" to others' feeling-world.The "wonder-child" aspect of yourself can be invaluable,connecting you with the world of spirit and your true home.Along with this is a strong current of emotional idealism anddevotion to the Mother. This gives you a great capacity fornurturing, empathy, mercy, and compassion, yet there is adownside to this: a tendency to become a martyr. Beware ofsacrificing yourself to take care of other people or to try torescue or "save" them.Excessive dependency, passivity, and wishing to be takencare of are all themes around which some of your greatestchallenges revolve. Either you yourself tend to succumb to suchimpulses (feeling yourself to be weak, needy, a victim) or youmay attract other people into your life who play that role. Formen, this can also lead to yearning for the perfect woman whowill love and accept them unconditionally and meet all of theirneeds - but who inevitably disappoints, as flesh-and-blood womencannot fulfill that illusion for long. Women, on the otherhand, may try to be the perfect woman, all-accepting,all-giving. Either of these can be traps for you.You also need to be extremely cautious with intoxicants,mood-altering substances or practices as these can create muchconfusion and distort your perceptions to the point where youlose touch with your genuine mystical and intuitive abilities.StarlightSmileSupremeI see the above in my Moon/Neptune opposition. Especially the victim/martyr part. It's easy to get stuck in believing in being a victim of society and lack of personal empowerment. Sometimes, it's like living on quicksand. astrofan123I have always found it so. not that opposition is easy, it's just somehow easier to deal with than quincunx. I found this in my own natal and transit. perhaps also due to the planets involved.CeridwenIn the sense that the signs are more unfamiliar with each other, it`s true (they have nothing in common, neither element nor modality). But since they do not really lock horns, it might fly under the radar.it takes a conscious effort to bring the both together, but since they are so different from each other, there is a lot to learn. And I guess that is when the magic sets in.You just have to come to this point.While the opposition or square are sometimes quite loud aspects, the quinkunx often is like the constant nagging voice in the back of your mind, which can get enervating over time, if you don´t adjust certain behaviour. If you do however, you might gain insights into two different worlds, signified by the signbackground.Desiring Shadows quote:Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:I see the above in my Moon/Neptune opposition. Especially the victim/martyr part. It's easy to get stuck in believing in being a victim of society and lack of personal empowerment. Sometimes, it's like living on quicksand. HEY!! lolanonymidarkness StarlightSmileSupreme quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:In the sense that the signs are more unfamiliar with each other, it`s true (they have nothing in common, neither element nor modality). But since they do not really lock horns, it might fly under the radar.it takes a conscious effort to bring the both together, but since they are so different from each other, there is a lot to learn. And I guess that is when the magic sets in.You just have to come to this point.While the opposition or square are sometimes quite loud aspects, the quinkunx often is like the constant nagging voice in the back of your mind, which can get enervating over time, if you don´t adjust certain behaviour. If you do however, you might gain insights into two different worlds, signified by the signbackground.That is how I feel about my inconjuncts to Saturn. They are more like nagging in my life. Saturn nagging those Libra planets and Libra planets nagging back at Saturn. DrewMannI don't know how on earth you can compare a quincunx with an opposition. The opposition is the second most powerful aspect after the conjunction. Hey I know ok! I have mars opposite my sun and it carries one hell of a punch!!Ceridwen quote:Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Ceridwen:[b]In the sense that the signs are more unfamiliar with each other, it`s true (they have nothing in common, neither element nor modality). But since they do not really lock horns, it might fly under the radar.it takes a conscious effort to bring the both together, but since they are so different from each other, there is a lot to learn. And I guess that is when the magic sets in.You just have to come to this point.While the opposition or square are sometimes quite loud aspects, the quinkunx often is like the constant nagging voice in the back of your mind, which can get enervating over time, if you don´t adjust certain behaviour. If you do however, you might gain insights into two different worlds, signified by the signbackground.That is how I feel about my inconjuncts to Saturn. They are more like nagging in my life. Saturn nagging those Libra planets and Libra planets nagging back at Saturn. [/B][/QUOTE]Yes, the only aspect my Moon has is an exact quinkunx/ inconjunct to Saturn. great. Pisces Adonis quote:Originally posted by DrewMann:I don't know how on earth you can compare a quincunx with an opposition. The opposition is the second most powerful aspect after the conjunction. Hey I know ok! I have mars opposite my sun and it carries one hell of a punch!!But Opposites have stuff in common like being the same modality, being in complementary elements, and more importantly even sharing same traits in common (Leo and Aquarius being individualistic and social, Capricorn and Cancer concerning about security, etc).Yes they're opposites but their needs are similar except aimed at the reverse direction like Cancer being more concerned with the home and Capricorn being more concerned with work as far as security goes but they are also quite frugal and can handle money well.Quincunx has nothing in common. I mean come on what does introverted fantasist Pisces have in common with courageous social Leo?Or what does frugal homely Cancer have in common with adventitious Sagittarius or eccentric Aquarius?I do however agree with the other posters that the planet that Quincunx can affect how hard the Quincunx aspect. quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:.While the opposition or square are sometimes quite loud aspects, the quinkunx often is like the constant nagging voice in the back of your mind, which can get enervating over time, if you don´t adjust certain behaviour. If you do however, you might gain insights into two different worlds, signified by the signbackground.I know this nagging I agree its exhausting. I can't tell you how many times before I even knew what the heck Astrology was, I felt a certain voice criticizing me all the time;or at least I felt something in my mind is not right and I'd end up collapsing into a wrecked state.However I started understanding the fundamental facts about the Moon Signs and my own Leo Moon a while back/Once I learned Aspects and started studying them, I learned of Quincunx. When I read what the basics of what a Quincunx is, I started thinking if hidden in my subconscious is something I don't quite know about myself.The definitions Quincunx sounded so much like internal conflict between subconscious and conscious mind. Like an "Opposition" between signs that are not considered opposite (though I would later learn that a Quincunx is the nearby signs next to an opposite sign).I mean the description for Moon in Leo does not match me at all but it was spot on for my ideal man. mirI got my focus on the quincunx when studying Magi-astro and their emphasis on the importance of geometry in a chart/between charts. They view the quincunx as having some of the qualities of an avalanche; once it gets going…it clears awayeverything in its path. It can be excessive and sometimes nearly outof control. The quincunx is a powerful aspect that often lacks amodulation component. It comes on full force.**OK, what I see time after time in synastry now is that a natal quincunx - which often without modulation aspect in its own chart -gets the balance/regulation by a planet from the other party.In the most balanced/powerful cases (what I notice) it would make a YOD or a Mystical triangle by putting a planet on that empty point in your chart and which so makes one.In the case of a Mystical Triangle there's a planet which makes a Square and a Trine to your quincunx and in the case of a Yod a sextile + quincunx. Taking myself as an example, the only quincunx that I have is Chiron/Moon and without exception in my most significant relationships there was always a strong regulator to the aspect. Now if I may guess Pisces Adonis..you have this Sun/Moon in Pisces/Leo.. I don't know the degrees but do you notice significant connections in your life have planets around these degrees in Scorp/Sag/Cap/Libra? as they would make both configurations. I would almost bet you have I'm curious!StarlightSmileSupreme quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen: Yes, the only aspect my Moon has is an exact quinkunx/ inconjunct to Saturn. great. That could mean prone to depression and you are not emotionally enthusiastic. Your emotions might be somewhat dulled.Natal Saturn inconjuncts my Asc too. I have three planets on my Asc with Jupiter rising but it's really in house 12 because the cusp of house 1 is at 9 degrees Libra and Jupiter is at 8 something (can't remember the exact number) so it is, technically, literally in house 12. But, since it is so dang close to the Asc degree, Astrologers, sometimes insist it be in the first house. Confusing. It, the Asc and Mercury all inconjunct Saturn and oddly, these to Saturn are the only ones in my chart involving sun, moon and planets (could be some to asteroids, need to double check that.)SuntigerAnonymidarkness, I also have moon quincunx pluto. What does this mean? I've been looking for information on this aspect and haven't found any just yet. quinnlycanastro quote:Originally posted by anonymidarkness:I have moon quincunx pluto,moon quincunx neptune and moon quincunx pluto and I can feel them more than 4 oppositions I have in my chart.I think quincunx is underestimated rather than opposition being over-exaggerated.I'd agree with the above Quincunx demands a more creative style of resolution. I have to say though, I've known plenty of astrologers that have said the quincunx is a difficult aspect, and stated why. I can think of no one to quote off the top of my head, but I think the main problem is that a lot of the info on the net is basic/sometimes wrong/ and it's important to buy a few books if you're a serious student. I do have a couple of books by Donna Cunningham so I may well have read something in one of those about the aspect. DrewMannOppositions maybe between "compatible" signs, but it is full of energy, confrontational and extremely competative. What does your quincunx do for you?
I saw this response to in the Comments Section by a Guest.
quote:Originally posted by VR:lol! I happen to believe the exact opposite! Oppositions: nothing in common! Not a chance! Whereas quincunxes: lots in common, lotsa fun! (I left a comment in the post about Aquarius, so I’m not gonna repeat myself here) My natal quincunxes: Chiron inconjunct Pluto and Neptune, no idea what that means. Mars inconj. MC: no issues here. Venus inconj. Neptune: that’s a problem cause I tend to project my Neptune but imo that has more to do with Pisces being the opposite sign of Virgo than anything else.P.S. Your (very accurate) description of Neptune reminded me of a thought I had during the Virgo debate. Fair warning, I have Mercury Q Uranus, so you’d better sit down for this one! I was thinking, since Neptune’s energy is so ego-dissolving, the sun in Virgo can not be in that bad a place, after all!!!P.S.S. People, could you please include in your responses how you get along with the signs that are quincunx to yours? I’m so curious!!P.S.S.S. In some 15 seconds of a degree, Neptune will enter Pisces! Yikes!Have a nice day, all!
The author responded.
quote:Originally posted by Donna Cunningham :Opposites can form a mutually beneficial partnership of the “you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours” sort. They are in the same mode (e.g. both cardinal) and in complementary elements (water with earth or fire with air), so they have the potential to be very helpful to one another, unless they decided to get all oppositional and make the other “wrong.”Example: Cancer and Capricorn–cardinal water with cardinal earth. What they have in common is a deep need for security that they both search for on a lifelong basis. Cancer looks for it in roots, a home, and family, while Capricorn looks for it in success in the outside world. Capricorn doesn’t have time to tend the home fires; Cancer doesn’t want to be out in the big bad world. Paired up, with a good working division of labor, they can be a good match.Example: Gemini and Sagittarius–mutable air and mutable fire. They both want lots of data and lots of answers. Gemini is eager to have a teacher answer the incessant questions; Sag believes it has all the answers and wants nothing better than an eager pupil sitting at their feet, hanging on their every word.Example: Virgo and Pisces–mutable earth and mutable water. Virgo has an endless need to fix and organize people; Pisces is looking for someone to fix and organize them.
Example: Cancer and Capricorn–cardinal water with cardinal earth. What they have in common is a deep need for security that they both search for on a lifelong basis. Cancer looks for it in roots, a home, and family, while Capricorn looks for it in success in the outside world. Capricorn doesn’t have time to tend the home fires; Cancer doesn’t want to be out in the big bad world. Paired up, with a good working division of labor, they can be a good match.
Example: Gemini and Sagittarius–mutable air and mutable fire. They both want lots of data and lots of answers. Gemini is eager to have a teacher answer the incessant questions; Sag believes it has all the answers and wants nothing better than an eager pupil sitting at their feet, hanging on their every word.
Example: Virgo and Pisces–mutable earth and mutable water. Virgo has an endless need to fix and organize people; Pisces is looking for someone to fix and organize them.
Out of curiosity I asked her if a Quincunx can actually be HARDER than an opposition between signs. My exact comment:
quote:Originally posted by ScorpioDogAC (the guest username I posted under as in the comment sections) :Could a Quincunx actually be a Harder Aspect than an Opposition?Especially if its between the Sun and Moon?I have a Moon in Leo and Sun in Pisces and I’ve notice often i seem to act as though I’m conflicted internally-my conscious is constantly fighting with my unconscious (well not as much as I now know myself better ever since I gotten into Astrology). Without going into detail to put as an example my “Ideal” Self has nothing in common with the person I’ve been in the past.
Could a Quincunx actually be a Harder Aspect than an Opposition?Especially if its between the Sun and Moon?I have a Moon in Leo and Sun in Pisces and I’ve notice often i seem to act as though I’m conflicted internally-my conscious is constantly fighting with my unconscious (well not as much as I now know myself better ever since I gotten into Astrology). Without going into detail to put as an example my “Ideal” Self has nothing in common with the person I’ve been in the past.
The author's Response.
quote:Originally posted by Donna Cunningham :Yes, I do believe that, depending on the planets involved, a quincunx might br more difficult to work out, because there is no natural connection between the signs involved, while the opposite signs are in complementary elements and in the same sign type (e.g. fixed with fixed). Donna
Yes, I do believe that, depending on the planets involved, a quincunx might br more difficult to work out, because there is no natural connection between the signs involved, while the opposite signs are in complementary elements and in the same sign type (e.g. fixed with fixed). Donna
Response to my post by another guest poster.
quote:Originally posted by LB:” . . .my “Ideal” Self has nothing in common with the person I’ve been in the past.”I never thought of it that way, but wow, can I relate. Maybe that’s how a quincunx is supposed to work, in that it eventually demands that we make a conscious choice as to how we want to resolve our contradictions.
” . . .my “Ideal” Self has nothing in common with the person I’ve been in the past.”
I never thought of it that way, but wow, can I relate. Maybe that’s how a quincunx is supposed to work, in that it eventually demands that we make a conscious choice as to how we want to resolve our contradictions.
So I'm curious. Could a Quincunx be harder than an Opposition?I'm now convinced so based on the article itself and the comments above that Opposites between planetary placements is overrated and not as bad as its portrayed to be in mainstream Astrology and as many light followers of Astrology seem to believe.
I'm not lying I have a Capricorn friend in another site, and she thinks that Cancer and Capricorn are the least compatible Signs because they're opposites according to a book on Astrology she read. I used to have similar thoughts to (especially on aspects) until one day I learned in an Astrological program called PAT that my Sun in Pisces Quincunx my Moon in Leo and started learning about that barely known aspect in Astrology (not even Astrology for Dummies which IMO is the most detailed yet easy-to-understand beginner's guide to Astrology mentions Quincunx in the chapter about Planetary Aspects).
About inconjuncts, I think they're supposed to inspire change. What VDish said about being detours with benefits sounds right. It will be hard to get them to benefit you, and it'll take work and adjustment to keep them from stabbing you in the side, but if you don't give up, the two forces can go well! Being a minor aspect, the issues that inspire you to change yourself often are reinforced from the outside, as in, relating or interacting with people.
To answer your questionnnn, I'd say the opposition can be harder than the inconjunct, but it can also be easier too. Like I said, 50/50.
------------------Gemini SunLibra MoonGemini MercuryCancer VenusVirgo MarsVirgo Asc
And yes, I'm a guy!
Moon quincunx Neptune: With the moon inconjunct Neptune you are sympathetic toward others. You demonstrate how much you care by offering service when help seems needed. Because of your deep-feeling nature, it is difficult for you to remain detached. You are like a mother hen seeking to protect her brood when danger threatens. Unconsciously, however, you are constantly seeking situations in which you can persecute yourself. Thus you are able to spiritually fulfill your social obligations and justify your deep response to them. Your imagination works overtime in creating problems to solve.Your romantic interests may prove disappointing until you can relate to others honestly and realistically. It is not easy for you to see people as they really are. You tend to project on them the qualities they can't possibly live up to, and you feel let down when they don't measure up to your expectations. You are also vulnerable to deception by people who misrepresent themselves. You will have many unsatisfactory alliances until you learn to insist that others establish their credentials before you become inextricably involved. You are a romantic and can find solace through artistic pursuits or any creative expression. You inspiration can effectively enrich your private moments with serenity.
The "wonder-child" aspect of yourself can be invaluable,connecting you with the world of spirit and your true home.Along with this is a strong current of emotional idealism anddevotion to the Mother. This gives you a great capacity fornurturing, empathy, mercy, and compassion, yet there is adownside to this: a tendency to become a martyr. Beware ofsacrificing yourself to take care of other people or to try torescue or "save" them.
Excessive dependency, passivity, and wishing to be takencare of are all themes around which some of your greatestchallenges revolve. Either you yourself tend to succumb to suchimpulses (feeling yourself to be weak, needy, a victim) or youmay attract other people into your life who play that role. Formen, this can also lead to yearning for the perfect woman whowill love and accept them unconditionally and meet all of theirneeds - but who inevitably disappoints, as flesh-and-blood womencannot fulfill that illusion for long. Women, on the otherhand, may try to be the perfect woman, all-accepting,all-giving. Either of these can be traps for you.
You also need to be extremely cautious with intoxicants,mood-altering substances or practices as these can create muchconfusion and distort your perceptions to the point where youlose touch with your genuine mystical and intuitive abilities.
it takes a conscious effort to bring the both together, but since they are so different from each other, there is a lot to learn. And I guess that is when the magic sets in.You just have to come to this point.
While the opposition or square are sometimes quite loud aspects, the quinkunx often is like the constant nagging voice in the back of your mind, which can get enervating over time, if you don´t adjust certain behaviour. If you do however, you might gain insights into two different worlds, signified by the signbackground.
quote:Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:I see the above in my Moon/Neptune opposition. Especially the victim/martyr part. It's easy to get stuck in believing in being a victim of society and lack of personal empowerment. Sometimes, it's like living on quicksand.
HEY!! lol
quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:In the sense that the signs are more unfamiliar with each other, it`s true (they have nothing in common, neither element nor modality). But since they do not really lock horns, it might fly under the radar.it takes a conscious effort to bring the both together, but since they are so different from each other, there is a lot to learn. And I guess that is when the magic sets in.You just have to come to this point.While the opposition or square are sometimes quite loud aspects, the quinkunx often is like the constant nagging voice in the back of your mind, which can get enervating over time, if you don´t adjust certain behaviour. If you do however, you might gain insights into two different worlds, signified by the signbackground.
quote:Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Ceridwen:[b]In the sense that the signs are more unfamiliar with each other, it`s true (they have nothing in common, neither element nor modality). But since they do not really lock horns, it might fly under the radar.it takes a conscious effort to bring the both together, but since they are so different from each other, there is a lot to learn. And I guess that is when the magic sets in.You just have to come to this point.While the opposition or square are sometimes quite loud aspects, the quinkunx often is like the constant nagging voice in the back of your mind, which can get enervating over time, if you don´t adjust certain behaviour. If you do however, you might gain insights into two different worlds, signified by the signbackground.
Yes, the only aspect my Moon has is an exact quinkunx/ inconjunct to Saturn. great.
quote:Originally posted by DrewMann:I don't know how on earth you can compare a quincunx with an opposition. The opposition is the second most powerful aspect after the conjunction. Hey I know ok! I have mars opposite my sun and it carries one hell of a punch!!
But Opposites have stuff in common like being the same modality, being in complementary elements, and more importantly even sharing same traits in common (Leo and Aquarius being individualistic and social, Capricorn and Cancer concerning about security, etc).
Yes they're opposites but their needs are similar except aimed at the reverse direction like Cancer being more concerned with the home and Capricorn being more concerned with work as far as security goes but they are also quite frugal and can handle money well.
Quincunx has nothing in common. I mean come on what does introverted fantasist Pisces have in common with courageous social Leo?
Or what does frugal homely Cancer have in common with adventitious Sagittarius or eccentric Aquarius?
I do however agree with the other posters that the planet that Quincunx can affect how hard the Quincunx aspect.
quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:.While the opposition or square are sometimes quite loud aspects, the quinkunx often is like the constant nagging voice in the back of your mind, which can get enervating over time, if you don´t adjust certain behaviour. If you do however, you might gain insights into two different worlds, signified by the signbackground.
I know this nagging I agree its exhausting. I can't tell you how many times before I even knew what the heck Astrology was, I felt a certain voice criticizing me all the time;or at least I felt something in my mind is not right and I'd end up collapsing into a wrecked state.
However I started understanding the fundamental facts about the Moon Signs and my own Leo Moon a while back/
Once I learned Aspects and started studying them, I learned of Quincunx. When I read what the basics of what a Quincunx is, I started thinking if hidden in my subconscious is something I don't quite know about myself.The definitions Quincunx sounded so much like internal conflict between subconscious and conscious mind. Like an "Opposition" between signs that are not considered opposite (though I would later learn that a Quincunx is the nearby signs next to an opposite sign).
I mean the description for Moon in Leo does not match me at all but it was spot on for my ideal man.
OK, what I see time after time in synastry now is that a natal quincunx - which often without modulation aspect in its own chart -gets the balance/regulation by a planet from the other party.In the most balanced/powerful cases (what I notice) it would make a YOD or a Mystical triangle by putting a planet on that empty point in your chart and which so makes one.In the case of a Mystical Triangle there's a planet which makes a Square and a Trine to your quincunx and in the case of a Yod a sextile + quincunx. Taking myself as an example, the only quincunx that I have is Chiron/Moon and without exception in my most significant relationships there was always a strong regulator to the aspect.
Now if I may guess Pisces Adonis..you have this Sun/Moon in Pisces/Leo.. I don't know the degrees but do you notice significant connections in your life have planets around these degrees in Scorp/Sag/Cap/Libra? as they would make both configurations. I would almost bet you have I'm curious!
quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen: Yes, the only aspect my Moon has is an exact quinkunx/ inconjunct to Saturn. great.
Natal Saturn inconjuncts my Asc too. I have three planets on my Asc with Jupiter rising but it's really in house 12 because the cusp of house 1 is at 9 degrees Libra and Jupiter is at 8 something (can't remember the exact number) so it is, technically, literally in house 12. But, since it is so dang close to the Asc degree, Astrologers, sometimes insist it be in the first house. Confusing. It, the Asc and Mercury all inconjunct Saturn and oddly, these to Saturn are the only ones in my chart involving sun, moon and planets (could be some to asteroids, need to double check that.)
quote:Originally posted by anonymidarkness:I have moon quincunx pluto,moon quincunx neptune and moon quincunx pluto and I can feel them more than 4 oppositions I have in my chart.I think quincunx is underestimated rather than opposition being over-exaggerated.
I'd agree with the above
Quincunx demands a more creative style of resolution. I have to say though, I've known plenty of astrologers that have said the quincunx is a difficult aspect, and stated why. I can think of no one to quote off the top of my head, but I think the main problem is that a lot of the info on the net is basic/sometimes wrong/ and it's important to buy a few books if you're a serious student.
I do have a couple of books by Donna Cunningham so I may well have read something in one of those about the aspect.
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